CTV you fail the Superbowl coverage

[TVViewer]

Originally Posted by user

So TVViewer, did CTV intentionally forgo tons of ad revenue just to promote the Olympics? Sounds like a bad decision for a company that wants to make money, as you say.

All stations air promos, they always side aside time for promos and time for paid ads, if they have unsold ad time they air extra promos, but that was not the case, CTV SOLD OUT of all the ad time they had available. Only you can turn selling out of ad space into a bad thing.

Most of CTV's promo time went for their coverage of The Olympics, if you compare that to last year where they promoted their entire lineup of course it's going to seem like a lot of promos for The Olympics. If they aired more of a variety of promos instead of mostly Olympic ones you wouldn't have noticed. You still would have complained though.

[user]

Originally Posted by TVViewer

All stations air promos, they always side aside time for promos

Yes, but not nearly as much time as CTV did last night. They obviously lost a lot of money doing that TVViewer, and yet they keep begging for money from the cable companies.

[TVViewer]

Originally Posted by user

Yes, but not nearly as much time as CTV did last night. They obviously lost a lot of money doing that TVViewer, and yet they keep begging for money from the cable companies.

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They sold out of advertising, why is this so hard for you to understand? They didn't lose money on The Super Bowl. All networks air promos, of course it's going to seem like a lot of promos for The Olympics compared to last year where they promoted their entire lineup.

[user]

Are you a Canwest employee who would defend the big networks if they killed a baby or do you play one online?

Musimax han't even posted in this thread so I don't know where that came from. I already know CTV sold out of advertising. The problem is they didn't try to sell a lot of ad time in the first place, instead they devoted time to Olympic promos that could've gone to money making ads.

[Emarsee]

Originally Posted by user

The problem is they didn't try to sell a lot of ad time in the first place, instead they devoted time to Olympic promos that could've gone to money making ads.

It could be that CTV thinks that the Olympics would make more money for them than ads during the Superbowl. Nobody knows except for those who work at CTV.

[TVViewer]

Originally Posted by user

Are you a Canwest employee who would defend the big networks if they killed a baby or do you play one online?

Musimax han't even posted in this thread so I don't know where that came from. I already know CTV sold out of advertising. The problem is they didn't try to sell a lot of ad time in the first place, instead they devoted time to Olympic promos that could've gone to money making ads.

As I already explained (for the third time now) it's going to seem like they are airing more promos for The Olympics if you compare it to last year where they aired promos for their entire lineup. The majority of CTV's promos were for The Olympics. They obviously made a ton of money if they sold out on ad space. You do know that they can charge higher ad rates if they have limited space right?

[hammer66]

Originally Posted by TVViewer

hammer66, U.S. programming is the only programming that makes money for Canadian broadcasters, without it they wouldn't be able to bring us quality scripted and news programming. All international broadcasters air U.S. programming.

Technically, you are correct. Except that international broadcasters don't show the US programming at PRECISELY the same time as the original US broadcast. Canadians (as I can testify from my childhood in the 70's, pre sim-sub) can easily watch the US channels on cable or satellite (leaving OTA out of the discussion).

I have no problem with sim-subbing commercials (other than events like the Super Bowl). I just wish Canadian broadcasters could be more responsible in not ruining the original broadcast. Why is it so difficult to leave it unscathed? It is this pent up anger that is behind why Canadians have no sympathy for the networks and their woe-is-me Local Channels blathering.

[TVViewer]

Originally Posted by hammer66

Technically, you are correct. Except that international broadcasters don't show the US programming at PRECISELY the same time as the original US broadcast.

There is a reason for that, international broadcasters don't have to compete directly vs the U.S. networks.

When international broadcasters buy the rights to programming, the rights are exclusive for their country. Every other country has their exclusive program rights 100% protected, Canada is the exception. That's why we get simulcasts, because the Canadian broadcasters own the exclusive Canadian broadcast rights to those programs, we are luckly we get any access to U.S. channels at all, no other country does.

[Emarsee]

Originally Posted by hammer66

I have no problem with sim-subbing commercials (other than events like the Super Bowl). I just wish Canadian broadcasters could be more responsible in not ruining the original broadcast. Why is it so difficult to leave it unscathed? It is this pent up anger that is behind why Canadians have no sympathy for the networks and their woe-is-me Local Channels blathering.

Are you talking about picture/audio quality or having getting or removing the simsub too early/late?

The former is the fault of the broadcaster and the latter is the BDU's fault.

[hammer66]

Originally Posted by TVViewer

There is a reason for that, international broadcasters don't have to compete directly vs the U.S. networks.

Curiously, you didn't hazard a guess as to why the arrogant Canadian broadcasters are unwilling or incapable of not butchering the original US broadcast. Of course, this is done in concert with their enemies/owners, the cable and satellite companies (how absurd that your owner is your enemy?) who are usually asleep at the controls and can't switch on time.

[SirCalgary]

Originally Posted by Simsub_hater

Why is it pathetic that this bothers us? It's censorship... if the CBS logo is there and they can't get a clean feed, then they are CENSORING it by covering it up. All the work and money CBS put into the broadcast, and CTV just shovels out their "hard-earned money" (yeah right) to buy Canadian rights to the broadcast it think they can alter it any way they want.

How about the fact that over 50% of Canadians (a recent poll confirms) want to watch the Super Bowl solely for the commercials? Doesn't CTV (or Global or whichever crap Canadian network buys the rights) know this? Of course they do, but they still purchase the rights to the game, scrap the original ads, and ruin the fun for so many Canadians that were probably expecting the big US ads. The worst part is they don't forewarn viewers that the US ads won't be available, just so they can get more viewers hoping to see the ads they never will see.

Tell us TVViewer, did you watch the Super Bowl? On CTV or CBS? If the former, were you disappointed you couldn't watch the ads and get the whole experience?

Once again, satellite time costs a fortune.

Intelsat, Telesat charge thousands of dollars for an hour of satellite time - they own a service that they and a few other companies have access to, nah they're jut gonna charge a dollar 50 for the hour - just to be nice, right? Screw money.

It also costs a lot to bring in a crew to put "CTV/TSN" graphics on screen instead of using the CBS graphics. Yes, you need to have a full crew to do this, it's just the way it is. You need a Director, a PA, a guy updating the clock, a guy putting the graphics on screen and removing them, a guy doing audio.

CBS is NOT going to rewrite their software - it's the same company that does the software for much of the industry - just so it can remotely update information on a computer in Toronto.

And once again, there are TV specials out that show the best ad's from the SuperBowl and this newfangled YouTube. And advertising is meant to showcase services for the viewers that are relevant. What does Progressive Auto Insurance offer to me?

Nothing.

EDIT: I think everyone on this board is going to root for the U.S. Olympic Team to sweep Vancouver, just based from what I've read.

[Simsub_hater]

Originally Posted by SirCalgary

It also costs a lot to bring in a crew to put "CTV/TSN" graphics on screen instead of using the CBS graphics. Yes, you need to have a full crew to do this, it's just the way it is. You need a Director, a PA, a guy updating the clock, a guy putting the graphics on screen and removing them, a guy doing audio.

I hope you're joking.... why would they DO THIS AT ALL!?!? They only covered up ONE graphic, and there were literally dozens of other graphics and vocal mentions of CBS throughout the entire broadcast that they didn't even touch. Why would they even bother to put on a crappy gray opaque MS Paint logo on just one of the CBS logos, especially if it takes as much trouble as you claim it does!!!

EDIT: I think everyone on this board is going to root for the U.S. Olympic Team to sweep Vancouver, just based from what I've read.

No, you're thinking of CTV. They'll be the ones rooting for the US team, they're as all-American as you can get! I think CTV actually stands for "Cord-plugged-into-Fox-CBS-NBC-or-ABC Television".

[hammer66]

Originally Posted by SirCalgary

EDIT: I think everyone on this board is going to root for the U.S. Olympic Team to sweep Vancouver, just based from what I've read.

Please. I've said it before .... I'll be very thankful to have access to the Canadian broadcast for this Olympics and any other Olympics. Ironically, for the production values and certainly not to listen to the likes of Brian Williams, Rod Black or Jennifer Hedger (comb your hair!!).

I wouldn't want to watch a US broadcaster butcher Hockey Night In Canada or Little Mosque On The Prairie .

[SirCalgary]

Originally Posted by Simsub_hater

I hope you're joking.... why would they DO THIS AT ALL!?!? They only covered up ONE graphic, and there were literally dozens of other graphics and vocal mentions of CBS throughout the entire broadcast that they didn't even touch. Why would they even bother to put on a crappy gray opaque MS Paint logo on just one of the CBS logos, especially if it takes as much trouble as you claim it does!!!


No, you're thinking of CTV. They'll be the ones rooting for the US team, they're as all-American as you can get! I think CTV actually stands for "Cord-plugged-into-Fox-CBS-NBC-or-ABC Television".

I was getting that reason ready in case somebody surely brought up the "Why can't CTV use their own graphics for the game and get a clean feed?" Numerous times, I've seen people here at the beginning of the season say that.

Now you know, money money money money, money.

The little CTV grey cover bug takes no less than one guy to put on and that's why you have a CTV logo on the bottom of a screen with "NFL on CBS" up top.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to go purchase my U.S.A Olympic Team jacket. Or Italy...haven't decided.

[hammer66]

Originally Posted by SirCalgary

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to go purchase my U.S.A Olympic Team jacket. Or Italy...haven't decided.

Make sure to affix an opaque Canadian flag over the US flag on the jacket, just to show your support for Canadian broadcasters. Also, replace the leather sleeves with vinyl to salute the butchering of broadcast quality by your beloved networks!

[Simsub_hater]

Originally Posted by hammer66

Make sure to affix an opaque Canadian flag over the US flag on the jacket, just to show your support for Canadian broadcasters. Also, replace the leather sleaves with vinyl to salute the butchering of broadcast quality by your beloved networks!

WIN!!!!!

[tofino]

I do not enjoy when my BDU messes up a simsub by not getting the timing right, not keeping up to schedule changes, etc.
I also do not enjoy when a Canadian network's feed of a show is subpar in terms of audio or video quality.

In the case of the superbowl, I don't think either applied. CTV made a good effort and I couldn't care less that a CBS logo was substitued for a CTV one for a few seconds. I really don't see what the big deal is, in this case.

[Simonizer]

I'm just watching last night's telecast from CBS again, and boy, it was wonderful. It really was. The theme music they use now really gets me pumped up. I even loved the sponsor promos coming back from commercial... they used different graphics than the regular "NFL on CBS is sponsored by...", and they looked good (they stated last night, "Superbowl 44 on CBS is sponsored by...").

Well, it's now time for me to render some commercials for people that I know didn't see them.

[NB Josh]

Once again, like the other thread I didn't read every post, so if something has already been said, I'm sorry for saying the same thing. I don't see why CTV using an opaque bug over a CBS opaque bug is annoying. Its less annoying than having two bugs on the screen (this is about the start of the discussion).

CTV isn't trying to make us think they produced it. I'm sorry but anybody who thinks CTV produced that would have to be completely clueless. I'm sure that the UK broadcasters (the BBC or Sky, I can't remember) also cut to studio following the game and thanked viewers for watching the NFL on Sky Sport (or the BBC).

I actually didn't think the commercials were that great last night, not compared to previous years at least. Bug Light and Doritos had a couple good ones, but that was about it.

O yea I forgot to ask, does anybody happen to know when the Olympics start on CTV? I think I heard Friday February 12 somewhere?

Seriously though, you'd have had to have been living under a rock the past year not to know that. You can't watch a single newscast on any channel without it being mentioned. Not to mention any show on CTV, TSN or Sportsnet.

[InMontreal]

Originally Posted by tofino

In the case of the superbowl, I don't think either applied. CTV made a good effort and I couldn't care less that a CBS logo was substitued for a CTV one for a few seconds. I really don't see what the big deal is, in this case.

Have you been smoking?

Hey, tricky question, when does the Olympics start?

If you answered that question right, how many times CTV hammered that information during the game?


And question for everyone: What's the point of promoting the Olympic games to death when it's gonna be the only program on the network for 17 days straight? (except for a few news breaks). It's near to impossible to miss it!