Global's "pact with the devil"

[stuegriffin]

I caught Jack Van Impe Presents on Global TV Winnipeg this morning and had to get the kds out of the room. I mean really what is this program doing on at 8:30 a.m. Sundays. It is not a religious program it's an infomercial selling doom and gloom. The last thing I want my 10 year old to hear is that the world is going to end Dec.21/12 or Iran is going to nuke Israel or that Muslims hate Jews (he said that). I Googled Jack Van Impe and Global Tv and I can see why they do it ... for jesus lol. here's jack's website www.jackvanimpe.ca see why he luv's Leonard.

[TVViewer]

I don't agree with the views of this paid religious infomercial either but it's worth pointing that this program doesn't just air on Global, it airs on many other OTA stations including religious broadcasters CTS in Toronto, The Miracle Channel in Calgary, CTS in Edmonton, and JoyTV in Vancouver. The only Canwest stations that currently air this program are Global Winnipeg and Global Maritimes. It also airs on local OTA stations across the United States.

[Emarsee]

This is why the television stations often place a disclaimer along the lines of this:

The views expressed on the following program aren't necessarily those of this station.

[TVViewer]

Originally Posted by Emarsee

This is why the television stations often place a disclaimer along the lines of this:

The views expressed on the following program aren't necessarily those of this station.

And Global does that with all religious programming it airs, including the Jack Van Impe Presents infomercial

[Mayhem]

Interesting headline.


Anyways; for me this is sort of a grey area. Yes, the station is legally not responsible for the views of infomercials that is pretested. However, there is a moral aspect to this that the stations should be held responsible.

Stations are held by law to censor information on primetime programs that make them money, yet not these infomercials. The problem with the infomercial in question is that like any other medium TV can shape and make the viewers beliefs, thoughts and personally. Programming like this can have a dangerous effect to some viewers. Just like how the F*word is bad for children hearing it on T.V.

[NB_TVLover]

It's surprising there isn't more "noise" about this type of programming, there was plenty when Al Jazeera announced they wanted broadcast rights to Canada and there would be all types of "inflammatory" pro Muslim comments, the comments on this broadcast (I have watch before just to watch the comedic interaction between Jack and Rexella!) are just as divisive and no nothing but throw gasoline on anti-western sentiment.

[stuegriffin]

I did some fact checking...The program is neither humorous, a newscast nor religious. It's all about scaring people into buying his "prophecy" bible for $59.95 and his dvd about the end of the world for $29.95. The program is also a an outlet for right wing christian politics. All his "news headlines" are from right wing newspapers, the guy even quotes Sarah Parker, Hannity and Beck. What a joke. Watch a couple of podcasts and you will see what I mean.
Every week he attacks other religions (Islam), every week he rants on about the end of the world Dec.21/12 no different than some a doomsday cult. He has said "Muslims Hate Jews" (You Tube it) and that alcoholics and drug addicts are sinners (an attack on people with disabilities). Do you want kids or your god fearing mom with a drinking problem to hear that? The disclaimer is BS, they need a verbal parental warning just like The Family Guy. Where do they get off broadcasting hate and fear mongering when there are regulations prohibiting them from doing so. The problem is not with the Christian cable channels no one watches them anyway and that is where Van Impe belongs. The major networks in the states (ABC,NBC,CBS and Fox) won't touch Van Impe, it's only on the Christian cable channels. Global has been broadcasting it over the public airwaves for years and breaking all the rules it seems. How can anyone defend Van impe's message or Global's willingness to air it for a few bucks.
On Sunday mornings when kids are watching tv usually on their own, parents need to HEAR that there is a show about to be aired that is not suitable for children under 14 and will offend MOST people. You need to read the response Global gave to a person who complained, they straight out lied to the guy.

www.jackvanimpe.ca for all the facts

Television Broadcasting ACT states:
PROGRAMMING CONTENT

5. (1) A licensee shall not broadcast
(a) anything in contravention of the law;
(b) any abusive comment or abusive pictorial representation that, when taken in context, tends to or is likely to expose an individual or a group or class of individuals to hatred or contempt on the basis of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, sexual orientation, age or mental or physical disability;
(c) any obscene or profane language or pictorial representation; or
(d) any false or misleading news.

Canadian Broadcast Standards Council (code of ethics)

Clause 2 - Human Rights
Recognizing that every person has the right to full and equal recognition and to enjoy certain fundamental rights and freedoms, broadcasters shall ensure that their programming contains no abusive or unduly discriminatory material or comment which is based on matters of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, marital status or physical or mental disability.

Clause 8 - Religious Programming

Broadcasters should endeavour to make available to the community adequate opportunity for presentation of religious messages and should also endeavour to assist in all ways open to them the furtherance of religious activities in the community. Recognizing the purpose of the religious broadcast to be that of promoting the spiritual harmony and understanding of humanity and of administering broadly to the varied religious needs of the community, it shall be the responsibility of each broadcaster to ensure that its religious broadcasts, which reach persons of all creeds and races simultaneously, shall not be used to convey attacks upon another race or religion.

[TVViewer]

Originally Posted by stuegriffin

The problem is not with the Christian cable channels no one watches them anyway and that is where Van Impe belongs. The major networks in the states (ABC,NBC,CBS and Fox) won't touch Van Impe, it's only on the Christian cable channels. Global has been broadcasting it over the public airwaves for years and breaking all the rules it seems. How can anyone defend Van impe's message or Global's willingness to air it for a few bucks.
On Sunday mornings when kids are watching tv usually on their own, parents need to HEAR that there is a show about to be aired that is not suitable for children under 14 and will offend MOST people. You need to read the response Global gave to a person who complained, they straight out lied to the guy.

www.jackvanimpe.ca for all the facts

The Christian channels (CTS, ect..) that also air the program are not cable channels, they are over the air channels, just like the few Global stations that air the program.

And if people didn't watch those channels, they wouldn't be on the air, so yes people are watching the other Christian channels that air the program. Why are you (and the website you provided a link to) only bashing Global when other OTA stations also air the program? The fact that the other OTA stations are religious shouldn't be an excuse since Global airs paid religious programming.

You are also wrong when you say that in the U.S. the American networks don't air the program, if you go to the programs website you can see that it airs all across the United States on CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX, CW, and MyNetworkTV affiliates, including stations the networks own themselves.

I'm not trying to defend what the program is saying, but you are acting like this is some evil plot from Global, there are a bunch of stations that air the program and you are only attacking one. You are attacking Global for airing a paid religious program that a bunch of stations all over North America air.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by TVViewer

I'm not trying to defend what the program is saying, but you are acting like this is some evil plot from Global, there are a bunch of stations that air the program and you are only attacking one. You are attacking Global for airing a paid religious program that a bunch of stations all over North America air.

I agree; this is not a "evil plot" from Global. However you have to admit its something that all Broadcasters that air this type of programming should look into.


@stuegriffin

Have you filed a complaint with Global or the CRTC over the issue in question?

[TVViewer]

The website he provided a link to complained to the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council, and his his complaints are awaiting a panel decision. The website owner complained so many times to Global that the CBSC finally told Global that they no longer have to respond to his complaints.

[stuegriffin]

Lots of good comments. the evil bit is just my way of sounding like that idiot BUSH.
Global is blatantly breaking the rules I laid out in my previous post, there is no way around it, try as some of you may to justify their actions. The message Van Impe spews is fear and hate, period. It should not be aired Sunday @ 8:30 in the morning when kids are watching cartoons or adventure shows.

The complaint was about Van Impe being broadcast on GLOBAL Winnipeg over the air and on cable/sat. There are no Christian channels in WPG. (that I can find) like in TO.
Blowing a smokescreen and saying "why are you only picking on Global" (in a whiney voice) is a bit like saying why are you picking on Bernie Madoff when there are lots of other crooks out there. Unbelievable.
I guess TV Viewer didn't go to the Van Impe.COM site to check the schedule. Why try and BS people when all we have to do is hit a link... Jack Van Impe DOES NOT air on the 4 major US Networks, here's the link...go see for yourself. Try finding it on FOX, you won't. Global is the only major network in North America to air the program, it's on Christian Channels but with them you expect this kind of crap so you block them out if need be. What do you want people to do block Global TV, I guess I could watch 24, House, Family Guy and the Simpson's on FOX and block Hannity and Beck.

http://www.jvim.com click on TV schedule at bottom of page and then Major Network and Satellite (if you click the USA you will find they are small local stations or Christian channels also).
The disclaimer doesn't count when it comes to hate messages see CAB, TBA, HRA and READ it and the disclaimer is just a cop out. I'll say it again children should not be subjected to this kind of hate propaganda and fear mongering.

What's the problem with having a verbal warning "the following program contains content that is not suitable for children under the of 14, some people may be offended so viewer discretion is advised".
Someone out there just answer that question. I know why and it starts with T.
Stay Tuned.

[TVViewer]

Why would children be watching Global Sunday mornings? They are watching childrens programming on kids channels, not some crazy paid program on Global. The fact that only 5 people have ever complained about the program shows how few people are actually watching it.

Go to the website, click on TV Schedule, and click on United States. they will list a bunch of stations that air the program, including affiliates of FOX, CBS, NBC, ABC, The CW, and MyNetworkTV. They don't say "FOX" they say the affiliates call letters, FOX even owns some of the stations that airs the program. You are bashing Global for airing a program that airs on FOX, CBS, NBC, ABC, The CW, MyNetwork affiliates, including stations the networks own themselves.

[stuegriffin]

I am not bashing Global I am exposing them for what they are doing...how hard is this to understand? Children watch TV on Sunday mornings, they may come across this grandmotherly looking lady and this jovial old man and start watching, (just maybe) and end up hearing the world is going to end on Dec. 21/12. That would scare them. Hearing Iran is going to nuke Israel will scare them, hearing that Muslims hate Jews will give them a bias view, hearing that substance abuse users will not go to heaven doesn't help someone in AA and the attacks on Muslims is criminal. We are not the USA we have checks and balances on what we can say. There is no religious freedom of speech. What part of Jack Van Impe's message would you want your kid to hear week in and week out. This is an ethical issue as well as a legal one.
I just love the way Global attacks this guy. He has put in 3 complaints, not 5 here are the #'s.
08/09/0691 re: Van impe's message not good for children and needs a warning. Hate and fear mongering doom and gloom.
08/09/1774 re: van Impe said "Chrisitianity is at war with Islam" and "Muslims hate Jews"
09/10/0457 re: substance abuse users are sinners and Kaleik Sheik Mohammed should be executed without a trial ( a lynching folks).

As a citizen he has the right to complain so who cares how many times he does so as long as they are valid or that only 2 or 3 other people have complained. This guy is a retired social worker and he is concerned about hate messages and intolerance aired on TV.
FYI
I went back to the program and entered several of the station call letters and googled them not one was a network affiliate so if you can give a couple of examples then it may help you case. Under the network links there is only the Christian Channels Networks trinity etc. and on MyNetwork and THe CW but they are not shown on Canadian cable or satellite. It's the Americans problem if it's on local affiliates not ours.
Who cares, what the yanks watch is not the point. The point is Global airs it it Winnipeg and is breaking all kinds of rules and regulations and being a crappy corporate citizen. Attacking the messenger and their allies is typical of a losing cause and typical of corporate defense strategies when a side is knowingly wrong.
You see Global has no defense, even TV Viewer could only attack the messenger, they put up ZERO legitimate responses to the CAB, TBA and HRA claims he made. As a matter of fact Global's three responses to his complaints were all deceptive, quoting CAB clause 8 but only the first part not the part where broadcasts cannot attack other races religions etc.

One more thing your statement "The website owner complained so many times to Global that the CBSC finally told Global that they no longer have to respond to his complaints" is false. Nowhere at the site www.jackvanimpe.ca does it say that. Why would you make something like that up at this forum. Again anyone can go to the website and see for themselves that you are trying to deceive readers on this thread. Why?

[TVViewer]

Originally Posted by stuegriffin

I am not bashing Global I am exposing them for what they are doing...how hard is this to understand? Children watch TV on Sunday mornings, they may come across this grandmotherly looking lady and this jovial old man and start watching, (just maybe) and end up hearing the world is going to end on Dec. 21/12. That would scare them. Hearing Iran is going to nuke Israel will scare them, hearing that Muslims hate Jews will give them a bias view, hearing that substance abuse users will not go to heaven doesn't help someone in AA and the attacks on Muslims is criminal. We are not the USA we have checks and balances on what we can say. There is no religious freedom of speech. What part of Jack Van Impe's message would you want your kid to hear week in and week out. This is an ethical issue as well as a legal one.
I just love the way Global attacks this guy. He has put in 3 complaints, not 5 here are the #'s.
08/09/0691 re: Van impe's message not good for children and needs a warning. Hate and fear mongering doom and gloom.
08/09/1774 re: van Impe said "Chrisitianity is at war with Islam" and "Muslims hate Jews"
09/10/0457 re: substance abuse users are sinners and Kaleik Sheik Mohammed should be executed without a trial ( a lynching folks).

As a citizen he has the right to complain so who cares how many times he does so as long as they are valid or that only 2 or 3 other people have complained. This guy is a retired social worker and he is concerned about hate messages and intolerance aired on TV.
FYI
I went back to the program and entered several of the station call letters and googled them not one was a network affiliate so if you can give a couple of examples then it may help you case. Under the network links there is only the Christian Channels Networks trinity etc. and on MyNetwork and THe CW but they are not shown on Canadian cable or satellite. It's the Americans problem if it's on local affiliates not ours.
Who cares, what the yanks watch is not the point. The point is Global airs it it Winnipeg and is breaking all kinds of rules and regulations and being a crappy corporate citizen. Attacking the messenger and their allies is typical of a losing cause and typical of corporate defense strategies when a side is knowingly wrong.
You see Global has no defense, even TV Viewer could only attack the messenger, they put up ZERO legitimate responses to the CAB, TBA and HRA claims he made. As a matter of fact Global's three responses to his complaints were all deceptive, quoting CAB clause 8 but only the first part not the part where broadcasts cannot attack other races religions etc.

One more thing your statement "The website owner complained so many times to Global that the CBSC finally told Global that they no longer have to respond to his complaints" is false. Nowhere at the site www.jackvanimpe.ca does it say that. Why would you make something like that up at this forum. Again anyone can go to the website and see for themselves that you are trying to deceive readers on this thread. Why?

I'm not trying to deceive anyone, it's YOU that is posting wrong info.

In under 30 seconds I found 2 network affiliates that broadcast into Canada. Seattle's KIRO-TV (CBS affiliate) and Buffalo's WGRZ-TV (NBC affiliate)

And the CBSC did tell Global they no longer have to respond to the website owner. Global's response is posted on the website:

"Thank you for your email to Global Television. It appears you are referring to information posted on a website about one of the shows that airs on Global Television and not a specific episode of the Jack Van Impe Show that actually aired on Global. We have absolutely no control over what people post on their websites nor whether or not the information they post is accurate. The website you are referring to (www.jackvanimpe.ca) is the opinion of one man who complains about the show constantly to the CBSC and his complaints are currently awaiting a panel decision.

The fact is, in the last 10 years we have had only 7 complaints about the Jack Van Impe show – 5 of these were in 2009 from this same man. We are not the only broadcaster who air the Jack Van Impe program in Canada , however, he only mentions Global on his website. Please keep in mind when viewing this one-sided website that he did not include the numerous emails and voicemails he’s sent to us on this subject. We officially responded to his complaints until the CBSC told us we were no longer required to do so.

Here is what we told the website author about airing the Jack Van Impe Show:

Under the Broadcasting Act, broadcasters are required to provide a broad spectrum of entertainment and information programming for "men, women and children of all ages, interests and tastes". Television programming is required to be diverse and appealing to a wide range of audiences. Before we decide to broadcast a program, our Programming Department screens it to ensure it is suitable for broadcast. The determination of suitability includes ensuring that the broadcast would not contravene applicable broadcast laws and industry codes including, but not limited to, the Canadian Association of Broadcasters’ (CAB) “Code of Ethics”, “Equitable Portrayal Code for Television and Radio Programming”, and “CAB Violence Code”. As a result, what one viewer might consider an interesting or informative program might lead another to turn the channel.

Global Television adheres to the television rating system created by the Canadian Association of Broadcasters (CAB) and the Action Group on Violence on Television (AGVOT). This six-level rating system is used to classify any levels of violence, language or sex/nudity in all drama, feature film and children’s programming broadcast in Canada . These classifications allow viewers to use V-chip technology, which is built into almost all television sets, to screen out programs with mature subject matter that they do not wish to watch. This public rating system is intended to advise viewers of a program’s content in order to allow you, the viewer to determine a program’s suitability for your own viewing needs and desires. As required, an on-screen key airs for the first fifteen seconds of the program and a matching V-Chip data is encoded into our transmission for the entire duration of the program. Jack Van Impe Presents is now rated “PG”. Programming with this classification may contain themes which might not be suitable for viewers under the age of 8. As well, parents should be aware that there might be elements, such as limited sexual reference or content, which some could consider inappropriate for unsupervised viewing by children in the 8-13 age range.

Clause 8 of the Canadian Association of Broadcasters' (CAB) Code of Ethics states:

Broadcasters should endeavour to make available to the community adequate opportunity for presentation of religious messages and should also endeavour to assist in all ways open to them the furtherance of religious activities in the community.

Jack Van Impe Presents is a religious program featuring American televangelist Jack Van Impe and his wife citing passages from the scripture and compares what is written, to how it relates (in his opinion) to the events going on in the world today.

With the above in mind, the following disclaimers are aired at the top of every broadcast.

‘The opinions expressed in the following program are those of the participant and do not necessarily reflect those of Global Television.’

Although there may be skepticism about of Jack Van Impe’s style of reporting, Canadian broadcasters are entitled to air this type of programming. The broadcaster's jurisdiction relates solely to what was broadcast on air."

[Emarsee]

The cynic in me is thinking that the OP is the person who is complaining to the CBSC and is using this forum to promote his views.

Seriously, if Global is at fault, maybe we should remove any shows that offend people. Why don't we just shut down all religious stations?

[stuegriffin]

No I'm not OP whatever that is. I just came across the issue in the Wpg. Free Press a while back and saw the website and agreed. I posted the info to help the guy out. You can tell because I missed the emails at the bottom from Global to Mr. Dahl and the part TV Viewer put in bold print. However, because it is an email sent from Global's K Clout to Mr. Dahl who in the same email needed to: exaggerate the # of complaints the web site owner legitimately made; accused the site as being inaccurate and biased and as you TVV have kindly pasted, the act of deceiving Mr. Dahl by stating only a part of CAB clause 8 to make her point. Not Good.
Here it is in it's entirety folks, you judge who's full of it.
Clause 8 - Religious Programming

Broadcasters should endeavour to make available to the community adequate opportunity for presentation of religious messages and should also endeavour to assist in all ways open to them the furtherance of religious activities in the community.
She left this out....
Recognizing the purpose of the religious broadcast to be that of promoting the spiritual harmony and understanding of humanity and of administering broadly to the varied religious needs of the community, it shall be the responsibility of each broadcaster to ensure that its religious broadcasts, which reach persons of all creeds and races simultaneously, shall not be used to convey attacks upon another race or religion.

Does the Van Impe statement aired on Global Winnipeg "MUSLIMS HATE JEW" strike a chord with anyone. Did you see the link at the "one sided website" www.jackvanimpe.ca to the apology Global TV had to make to the Ukrainian Community in Winnipeg back in 96?

[Emarsee]

Why aren't you targeting the 700 Club? Pat Robertson spews more hateful crap than this Jack guy ever could. To say all Muslims hate Jews is a lie, but there are Muslims out there that do hate Jews. This is a fact, there are bound to be people out there who hate others.

The 700 Club airs on Joytv and CTS.

[stuegriffin]

Global TV in Wiinipeg airs the show that's where I live. I don't care about Pat Robertson he doesn't try to sell you a bible or dvd by scaring you. A lot of CDN $ go to fill Van Impe's coffers. Anyway I don't like his message and neither does most anyone else except a few Glpobal employess (it's obvious TVV), BTW KIRO in Seattle is an affiliate of CBS. Sometimes affiliates can air two networks if in a small market.
Wikipedia says:
In the broadcasting industry (especially in North America), a network affiliate (or affiliated station) is a local broadcaster which carries some or all of the program line-up of a television or radio network, but is owned by a company other than the owner of the network. This distinguishes such a station from an owned-and-operated station (O&O), which is owned by its parent network.

That is why they have 2 categories at Van Impe's website; Networks they air including Trinity et al but not ABC CBS FOX or NBC and then a list of states in a drop down menu where you find affiliates and local Christian channels. Again I don't care what the americans watch. This just muddies the issue. Global is guilty not the web site guy for god's sake.
Well Emarsee I guess he should have said "Muslim extremists hate Jews or We are at war with Muslim terrorists or just terrorists but he didn't. What about the lynching and boozers are going to hell statements. There is nothing religious about the program and the CRTC is about to find that out. Why target something a Canadian would have absoluteley no power over re: the message. Whether it's Van Impe's or Roberston they are sociopaths and won't change. He's not going after Van Impe directly he trying to dry up his Canadian revenue, pretty good idea. If he goes after Roberston he'll go after whoever is broadcasting his show. The Canadian Broadcasters whether you guys like it or not ARE RESPONSIBLE for what is put over the airways.

[InMontreal]

Originally Posted by stuegriffin

Recognizing the purpose of the religious broadcast to be that of promoting the spiritual harmony and understanding of humanity and of administering broadly to the varied religious needs of the community, it shall be the responsibility of each broadcaster to ensure that its religious broadcasts, which reach persons of all creeds and races simultaneously, shall not be used to convey attacks upon another race or religion.

Voilà.
It is OK to talk about Politics, Religion or Sex, it is impossible for everyone to agree on everything about these subjects, which is why they are sensible.

From a unbiased point of view, bashing someone else for their religion or their social problems shouldn't even make it on the air. It's airtime can potentially reach young children and therefor dangerous.

Back in August 2009, the CBSC decided against TQS about CallTV eventho it was a paid programming live from Austria:
http://www.cbsc.ca/english/decisions/2009/090819a.php
It's the same for religious programming. The broadcaster is responsible regardless.

Words can hurt as much as images can. Watching a bloody-gore horror movie at 8:30am, a hardcore bisexual movie at 8:30am or a hostile religious program at 8:30am, there's no difference.

[Emarsee]

Terrorism knows no boundaries of religion. Not all Muslims are terrorists and not all terrorists are Muslim.

Does this mean that CTS, Miracle, or any other stations showing this program are also in a "pact with the devil"? Maybe you should launch an attack on those channels as well.

The views on the program aren't those of Global. How hard is that for you to understand? There are tons of terrible religious shows out there, doesn't mean that you have to watch it. If you're offended by it, don't watch.